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incalcatore
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Post Icon Posted: Mar 22nd, 2017 at 05:28 pm

That's good, but you still must change wheel and tracks for the final job.
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Post Icon Posted: Yesterday at 02:14 pm

Another option is to make the width smaller. Your width of the hull and mudguard is 14 studs wide. ( hull is 8 studs and mudguards are 3 studs times 2 )
I also think that cobi tracks are way to wide for the panzer III and IV. They are 3 studs wide. Even for the panther they are to wide. They work fine with the tiger I and II.
To make the panzer III and IV a bit in size with the panther or tiger, i made the width not 14 studs wide but 12 studs wide ( hull 8 studs and mudguards 2 studs times 2 )
I try to retain the oversized tracks because i think the smaller tracks cobi makes ( from the panzer II or sd kfz 251 are to fragile, and what incalcatore also says you have to use other wheels. I'll post pics of my stug III and panzer IV 70 to show you what I mean.
They are smaller in width by 2 studs and have smaller mudguards ( 2 studs) and still have the big cobi tracks.
Besides that your wirbelwind looks totally awesome!!!!! .... And it is only an opinion of mine about width Smiley

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Post Icon Posted: Yesterday at 02:30 pm

My panzer IV 70:











My Stug III:











I didn't have time to make new foto's; i reworked all of them a long time ago. But he, we were only talking size here... Smiley
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Post Icon Posted: Yesterday at 03:41 pm

The problem is still change wheels and tracks for a good result, cobi wheel and tracks "old style" are too much big.

Last weekend I was in a comic convention, here a video, on minute 1:54 you can see my stand and cobi expo:



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Post Icon Posted: Today at 01:00 am

Personally i think the size is fine, but they are to thick ( 3 studs wide).
Look at a picture of a real stug iii and you see they have big wheels.
Also cobi should make a 6 spoke wheel insteqd of the never changing 5 spoke.

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Post Icon Posted: Today at 06:33 am

Yesterday at 03:41 pm, incalcatore wrote:

Last weekend I was in a comic convention, here a video, on minute 1:54 you can see my stand and cobi expo


Tank models and girls in crazy sexy costumes ... what a combination!

Nice Cobi display, but I guess my main reason to visit such an event would be ... err ... the other thing mentioned above ;-)

I wonder if they have a similar event in Germany ...
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Post Icon Posted: Today at 11:50 am

I totally agree that the Panzer III is definitely way too big (and out of proportion) to be in scale with the Tigers and Panthers.
Same goes for the Panzer IV and the StuG III/IV.

So narrowing them down by 2 studs seems like a good solution.
But if I look at the front and rear pic of the Panzer IV 70 above, the tracks look quite wide for that model, as if it was fitted with "Ostketten":

"Ostketten were developed in 1944 for use in the muddy conditions in the Spring and Autumn on the Eastern Front. These were basically just wider tracks. These were usually used on the Panzer IV and StuG III, but could be found on other vehicles also. When fitted on a Panzer IV, it looked like Panther tracks on a Panzer IV."

But there's hope:
The new SU-85 and the two Rudy T-34s are way smaller and with better proportions than their previous incarnations, so it seems Cobi has realized that their customers want more realistic representations of the tanks rather than just toys for childrens ...

Let's see what the future will have to offer.

And isn't it all part of the fun to modify the official models to your personal liking?
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Post Icon Posted: Today at 12:31 pm

Today at 11:50 am, Caracho wrote:


But there's hope:
The new SU-85 and the two Rudy T-34s are way smaller and with better proportions than their previous incarnations


I've had the Rudy sitting up next to the living room TV for a couple of weeks now (new tanks always get a "place of honor" until a newer tank pushes them out) and I really am amazed at how much better the proportions of that vehicle are to previous efforts. Proportions have always been Cobi's biggest design challenge it seems, but they appear to really be getting a handle on these machines at this point.

And yeah, the Pz III is just begging for a redesign.
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Post Icon Posted: Today at 01:41 pm

About the size of wheels of panzer I till IV in comparison with panther or tiger, look at this picture:



This is a scale comparison, and you can see that the front and backwheels of a panzer III (or stugIII) are even bigger than those of a panther and even a tiger. For a panzer IV they are about the same size as a panther or both tigers.

So cobis size in sideview of wheels are good as it is, but cobi should make tracks in 3 different width's, which should be;

-2 studs wide, for panzer I till IV
-2,5 studs wide for panther
-3 studs wide for Tiger I and II, the one we now already have and cobis uses almost on all models.

Option 1 for cobi; make matching wheels for their fragile 2 stud tracks they use on their halftracks/panzer I and II

Option 2 for cobi; make new sturdy tracks in 2 studs wide with nice new wheels in 6 spoke design. Simply adjust the 3 stud wide track they use now in 2 studs wide

And while we are at it, also make them in 2,5 stud wide for panther lovers.....

It all shouldn't be that difficult. Narrow your existing tracks in different sizes, and narrow the existing wheels in different sizes, and just make some new spoke design wheelplate we now always use

Caracho, i know that stug and IV 70 have way to wide tracks; this is the best i could come up with with the existing parts there are. I always have to make a choice of good wheels/to wide tracks or good tracks/to small wheels.

Incalcatore, you always make perfectly sized panzer I till IV, stugs, and IV 70 in length and width and always with the correct tracks, but in my opinion to small wheels.

Cobi, please please make new tracks with matching wheels!!! Smiley







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Post Icon Posted: Today at 02:05 pm

Here's how Cobi's tank design has evolved from release to release.
3 tank types (Sherman, Matilda and Cromwell) have even changed from wide tracks to small tracks

T-34
2438/2444/2452: incorrect number (and type) of roadwheels; no spoke wheelplate; drive sprocket at the back, idler wheel at the front and all roadwheels are identical
2470/2476/3005/BoB: correct number (and type) of roadwheels, reduced size of drive sprocket and idler wheel, but both have identical size (idler wheel at the front too big)
2485/2486: correct number of roadwheels, reduced size of drive sprocket and idler wheel; idler wheel at the front is now smaller than the drive sprocket at the back

SU-85
2467: incorrect number (and type) of roadwheels; no spoke wheelplate; drive sprocket at the back, idler wheel at the front and all roadwheels are identical
3003/BoB: correct number (and type) of roadwheels, reduced size of drive sprocket and idler wheel; idler wheel at the front is identical to the drive sprocket at the back
2467 (re-release): correct number (and type) of roadwheels, even more reduced size of drive sprocket and idler wheel; idler wheel at the front is now smaller than the drive sprocket at the back

Tiger I
2436/2450: roadwheels too small; no spoke wheelplate; drive sprocket at the front and idler wheel at the back are identical parts (but drive sprocket parts are mounted differently); idler wheel too big
2462/2477/2487/3000/BoB: roadwheels size OK; spoke wheelplate present; idler wheel at the front is now smaller than the drive sprocket at the back

Panther
2447/BoB: no spoke wheelplate; drive sprocket at the front and idler wheel at the back are identical (idler wheel too big)
2466: spoke wheelplate present; drive sprocket and idler wheel are identical (idler wheel at the back too big, but made to look smaller by using black color for outer ring part)
2473/3012: spoke wheelplate present; idler wheel at the back is now smaller than the drive sprocket at the front

Sherman
2437/2443: wide tracks; no spoke wheelplate; drive sprocket at the front and idler wheel at the back are identical parts (but drive sprocket parts are mounted differently)
2453/2464/3007: small tracks; drive sprocket at the front looks different to the idler wheel at the back, but no proper spoke wheelplate present

Matilda II
2439/2445: wide tracks; no spoke wheelplate; drive sprocket at the back and idler wheel at the front are identical parts
3011/2495: small tracks; idler wheel at the front looks different to the drive sprocket at the back

Cromwell
2454: wide tracks; spoke wheelplate present; idler wheel and drive sprocket are way too big in relation to the roadwheels; idler wheel at the front has the same size as the drive sprocket at the back (idler wheel too big)
3002: small tracks; idler wheel at the front is identical to the drive sprocket at the back; no proper spoke wheelplate present


Oh, and I think we all agree:
The Cobi minifigures are way too small for the tanks in general!

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Post Icon Posted: Today at 02:38 pm

yeah, that about sums it up alright!!! Great perception on all models.
Have to tell ya,to be honest i'm more of an expert on german tanks than from other countries. All the others look fine to me. My cobi collection contains only german vehicles and tanks, it's just that i also have to finance a 1/6 collection and a 1/18 collection and to be quit frankly; i can't have it all. But if had Donald Trumps money i probably would have collected everythin' ww2 i could get my hands on and in the end could start ww3 in miniture.... better not i think Smiley
Cobi is evolving and what you say is going into the right direction.Their target is indeed more for the serious adult collector than the kids who still bite in theitr blocks.
But indeed if cobi made everything perfect, where would be the fun and challenge?
I hope cobi also expands their plane line up in the future
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Post Icon Posted: Today at 02:39 pm

Today at 01:41 pm, Achtungpanzer wrote:

Caracho, i know that stug and IV 70 have way to wide tracks; this is the best i could come up with with the existing parts there are. I always have to make a choice of good wheels/to wide tracks or good tracks/to small wheels.


Yeah, you're probably right. Given the current possibilities with existing Cobi parts, this seems like the best solution if you want to keep the wheel size and the spoke design wheelplates.

And as I said, you can always argue that the tracks are not too wide but they are supposed to be "Ostketten" Smiley
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Post Icon Posted: Today at 02:51 pm

Exactly! There is my peace of mind.... Smiley
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Post Icon Posted: Today at 04:08 pm

Just want to add a couple things;

1) I'm just glad that Cobi has individually linked tracks at all, much less two different styles. Their parts bank is pretty limited, and to have one less style of linked track than LEGO is pretty impressive for such a (relatively) young brick company. I really wish Mega Bloks would switch to linked tracks. They do look better and MEGA has a terrible track-record (HA!) with snapping rubber treads.

2) I guess I'm just too forgiving, but I really don't get too into the details of what's wrong with any particular block tank model. Just as long as each new version is better and more authentic than the previous I'm usually pretty content. It could also have to do with the fact that I've been at this brick model thing for a while, and it was as recent as seven years ago when these were the first WWII brick tanks any of us had ever seen at retail...



3)I like your wheel break-down Caracho, but I can't even mentally process including that first Cobi Sherman on that list. How can you even consider the wheels while looking at that MESS of a hull? Smiley
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Post Icon Posted: Today at 04:20 pm

Hè deinonychus, I have that same system of plating a new model in our livingroom, except i use a sidetable. Then i'm staring at it for some time like i' m in some sort of jury making all sorts of difficult faces.......to come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with it. While i'm doing so, my girlfriend is asking to herself seeing me like this if i'm mentally ill staring at a pile of plastic for so long.............guess she has a point there. Well, thankfully she understands.....
But you are right, we have to be glad that a company like cobi exists and shouldn't be to picky on them. Without them we wouldn't have so much fun!

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